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		<title>By: diego</title>
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		<dc:creator>diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linux rocks</description>
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		<title>By: Solomon Box</title>
		<link>http://www.dhanapalan.com/blog/2007/09/20/will-linux-succeed-on-the-desktop/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desktop linux with all its free alternatives is still about as useless as what Windows NT would be to us now. The linux desktop is always playing catchups.

Where I work, we are trialing open office, and the thing can't even do a simple mail merge from a CSV file. What hope have I got of converting our 30 admin staff over to Open Office from Microsoft Office, let alone, cutting them over to a desktop, where they can't even double click on an Office type file from a network share and seemlessly watch it open.

The sad excuse for a file common dialog box in all distributions of linux is more than proof that the Linux Desktop is not mature.

Of all of them the most polished for the desktop Ubuntu still cannot do some of the basic things like play an MP3 from my SAMBA server.

Even the commercial products drive me up the wall. Novell have a linux product call Access Manager, a customised disk based on SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 9. Well it doesn't support the NIC's in the server, and because it is customised, I can't install the C++ compiler to compile a set from source and then load the Kernal Object. So I had to actually make a SUSE Driver Addon Disk which took me down the typical roller coaster ride of trial and error. So for a weeks work I finally got my Linux Server to reconise the network cards, something that I could have done in Windows within half an hour at the best of times.

The problem (which will always be a problem) is that the whole lot is too open, too many people conflict over how something should be implemented and conseqeuntially you have 5 different package managers, 10 diffrent windows managers, 8 different shells, and 360+ different linux distributions..

How the hell am I supposed to push this product?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desktop linux with all its free alternatives is still about as useless as what Windows NT would be to us now. The linux desktop is always playing catchups.</p>
<p>Where I work, we are trialing open office, and the thing can&#8217;t even do a simple mail merge from a CSV file. What hope have I got of converting our 30 admin staff over to Open Office from Microsoft Office, let alone, cutting them over to a desktop, where they can&#8217;t even double click on an Office type file from a network share and seemlessly watch it open.</p>
<p>The sad excuse for a file common dialog box in all distributions of linux is more than proof that the Linux Desktop is not mature.</p>
<p>Of all of them the most polished for the desktop Ubuntu still cannot do some of the basic things like play an MP3 from my SAMBA server.</p>
<p>Even the commercial products drive me up the wall. Novell have a linux product call Access Manager, a customised disk based on SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 9. Well it doesn&#8217;t support the NIC&#8217;s in the server, and because it is customised, I can&#8217;t install the C++ compiler to compile a set from source and then load the Kernal Object. So I had to actually make a SUSE Driver Addon Disk which took me down the typical roller coaster ride of trial and error. So for a weeks work I finally got my Linux Server to reconise the network cards, something that I could have done in Windows within half an hour at the best of times.</p>
<p>The problem (which will always be a problem) is that the whole lot is too open, too many people conflict over how something should be implemented and conseqeuntially you have 5 different package managers, 10 diffrent windows managers, 8 different shells, and 360+ different linux distributions..</p>
<p>How the hell am I supposed to push this&nbsp;product?</p>
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		<title>By: Peteris Krisjanis</title>
		<link>http://www.dhanapalan.com/blog/2007/09/20/will-linux-succeed-on-the-desktop/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Peteris Krisjanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we must stop talking. We have lot of homework to do, and we have done lot of good things so far. We must deliver good products, as Firefox, as OpenOffice.org, as NeoOffice, as GNOME/KDE, as Linux kernel, a Samba stack. We must keep pushing it. We must take small steps to attain big targets.

For someone to understand why Microsoft is beloved God of IT, it should understand simple marketing basics. Microsoft spends enormous money on that as they have done since beginning. It is all about appearance. It means that IT is still luxury in lot of places. When IT will start to be more tool than toy (it's already happening in lot of places), then alternatives become more attractive. Until then, Windows is used, because it's what you use without thinking.

When Linux will hit OEM places, home entertainment appliances, it also will be used without thinking. People don't care about what they got on computer, unless it's working. So we should get installed by default. It all matters. Until then we should grow our power user crowd. And be more friendly to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we must stop talking. We have lot of homework to do, and we have done lot of good things so far. We must deliver good products, as Firefox, as OpenOffice.org, as NeoOffice, as GNOME/KDE, as Linux kernel, a Samba stack. We must keep pushing it. We must take small steps to attain big targets.</p>
<p>For someone to understand why Microsoft is beloved God of IT, it should understand simple marketing basics. Microsoft spends enormous money on that as they have done since beginning. It is all about appearance. It means that IT is still luxury in lot of places. When IT will start to be more tool than toy (it&#8217;s already happening in lot of places), then alternatives become more attractive. Until then, Windows is used, because it&#8217;s what you use without thinking.</p>
<p>When Linux will hit OEM places, home entertainment appliances, it also will be used without thinking. People don&#8217;t care about what they got on computer, unless it&#8217;s working. So we should get installed by default. It all matters. Until then we should grow our power user crowd. And be more friendly to&nbsp;them.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.dhanapalan.com/blog/2007/09/20/will-linux-succeed-on-the-desktop/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem is that the people that use linux consistantly don't understand just exactly what the target market is. We're talking about the last frontier essentially for linux to conquer...the desk top. The problem is, to do that linux has to sway the average "Windows user". Most of these potential converts only know a few things...1.log in, 2.point-and-click, 3.use Word or Excel, log out for lunch, repeat steps 1-3, log out for the day. Most probably have never opened a DOS prompt in thier life. You're gonna lose a bunch of them back to Windows if the first time they hit the forums for help, all the geeks jump outta the woodwork telling them to open a command propmt and enter in some archaic jibberish,"sudo apt-who what? and what's this command thing you're talking about?" You can't drop this stuff on those "Windows users" like that because then the best you can hope for then is a very slow trickle of people crossing over. This gives M$ too much time/oppotunity to develope a new game plan.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see linux spread across the desktop with high penetration. For one, it would force M$ to really look at thier offering and make it a better product. As of now, they have no reason to improve, they have no real competition. Maybe it will happen with linux but personally i think it's still quite a few years before we will see good penetration on the desktop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is that the people that use linux consistantly don&#8217;t understand just exactly what the target market is. We&#8217;re talking about the last frontier essentially for linux to conquer&#8230;the desk top. The problem is, to do that linux has to sway the average &#8220;Windows user&#8221;. Most of these potential converts only know a few things&#8230;1.log in, 2.point-and-click, 3.use Word or Excel, log out for lunch, repeat steps 1-3, log out for the day. Most probably have never opened a DOS prompt in thier life. You&#8217;re gonna lose a bunch of them back to Windows if the first time they hit the forums for help, all the geeks jump outta the woodwork telling them to open a command propmt and enter in some archaic jibberish,&#8221;sudo apt-who what? and what&#8217;s this command thing you&#8217;re talking about?&#8221; You can&#8217;t drop this stuff on those &#8220;Windows users&#8221; like that because then the best you can hope for then is a very slow trickle of people crossing over. This gives M$ too much time/oppotunity to develope a new game plan.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I would love to see linux spread across the desktop with high penetration. For one, it would force M$ to really look at thier offering and make it a better product. As of now, they have no reason to improve, they have no real competition. Maybe it will happen with linux but personally i think it&#8217;s still quite a few years before we will see good penetration on the&nbsp;desktop.</p>
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		<title>By: Jadd</title>
		<link>http://www.dhanapalan.com/blog/2007/09/20/will-linux-succeed-on-the-desktop/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Jadd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would recommend linux to everyone if it just worked. But it doesn't:
- Ubuntu Dapper, could not for the life of me get sound to work, despiting looking up several problems, no 3d acceleration, ...
- Ubuntu Feisty (on my laptop) network manager doesn't recognise the fact that my wireless drivers installed by default do support WPE! I have to edit interfaces manually to get it to work! i also get BUG: cpu#0 lockup far too often. had to download compile and install alsa drivers seperately to get sound to work. I had to follow a guide online to get 3d acceleration, XGL and compiz to work. It took me forever to find out that I had to use a low latency kernel for rosegarden. The JACK server is just primitive, why do I have to guess which settings to use? Cubase on windows just works!
-Windows: everything just worked.

I know it's not linux's fault. I admire the people who work on linux distros, and I'd prefer the open source philosophy. But I just can't honestly recommend it to some one without the warning: this is gonna give you headaches, just to get the basics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend linux to everyone if it just worked. But it doesn&#8217;t:<br />
- Ubuntu Dapper, could not for the life of me get sound to work, despiting looking up several problems, no 3d acceleration, &#8230;<br />
- Ubuntu Feisty (on my laptop) network manager doesn&#8217;t recognise the fact that my wireless drivers installed by default do support WPE! I have to edit interfaces manually to get it to work! i also get BUG: cpu#0 lockup far too often. had to download compile and install alsa drivers seperately to get sound to work. I had to follow a guide online to get 3d acceleration, XGL and compiz to work. It took me forever to find out that I had to use a low latency kernel for rosegarden. The JACK server is just primitive, why do I have to guess which settings to use? Cubase on windows just works!<br />
-Windows: everything just worked.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s not linux&#8217;s fault. I admire the people who work on linux distros, and I&#8217;d prefer the open source philosophy. But I just can&#8217;t honestly recommend it to some one without the warning: this is gonna give you headaches, just to get the&nbsp;basics.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno Cunha</title>
		<link>http://www.dhanapalan.com/blog/2007/09/20/will-linux-succeed-on-the-desktop/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno Cunha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely switched from windows to linux. I have all the tools I need for my work, and it's not a techy work, just office work. I have OpenOffice, a msn clone, thunderbird for email, firefox for web browser and for gameing a little I have Enemy territory. But still, linux has way to go if it wants to compete along with windows. Some applications are not very easy to install. Windows users are used to click setup, next next and finish and they expect the same in linux. In linux some applications are not there, but the majority are. I'm confident that in a year or 2 linux will be much much better and will be head to head windows whatever version of windows.
Right now i'm using Ubuntu 7.04 and absolutely satisfied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely switched from windows to linux. I have all the tools I need for my work, and it&#8217;s not a techy work, just office work. I have OpenOffice, a msn clone, thunderbird for email, firefox for web browser and for gameing a little I have Enemy territory. But still, linux has way to go if it wants to compete along with windows. Some applications are not very easy to install. Windows users are used to click setup, next next and finish and they expect the same in linux. In linux some applications are not there, but the majority are. I&#8217;m confident that in a year or 2 linux will be much much better and will be head to head windows whatever version of windows.<br />
Right now i&#8217;m using Ubuntu 7.04 and absolutely&nbsp;satisfied.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfger</title>
		<link>http://www.dhanapalan.com/blog/2007/09/20/will-linux-succeed-on-the-desktop/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "too many distros" argument has some merit. From a support standpoint, people can get frustrated if they have a problem, and it's not an issue for some other distro, but it is for theirs, and they need to find people with their distro for assistance. Even if it's broken on both distros, the fix for Gentoo may well not be a valid fix for Kubuntu. If the fix involves installing another package, the answer would be completely foreign.

Another perspective from which it is a problem is that (most) people don't like to have too many decisions. There is a well-documented decision making paralysis that people tend to encounter when faced with too many choices. There may be a dozen candidates for president on the ballot, but the media (and by extension, the voters) never deal with more than 2 or 3 of them. The most complicated decision a lot of people can deal with is "this or that", and Linux offers them a choice of "1, 2, 3, 4, ... 100, 101 ...".

In fact, Microsoft has shown that most desktop users are happy with no choice at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;too many distros&#8221; argument has some merit. From a support standpoint, people can get frustrated if they have a problem, and it&#8217;s not an issue for some other distro, but it is for theirs, and they need to find people with their distro for assistance. Even if it&#8217;s broken on both distros, the fix for Gentoo may well not be a valid fix for Kubuntu. If the fix involves installing another package, the answer would be completely foreign.</p>
<p>Another perspective from which it is a problem is that (most) people don&#8217;t like to have too many decisions. There is a well-documented decision making paralysis that people tend to encounter when faced with too many choices. There may be a dozen candidates for president on the ballot, but the media (and by extension, the voters) never deal with more than 2 or 3 of them. The most complicated decision a lot of people can deal with is &#8220;this or that&#8221;, and Linux offers them a choice of &#8220;1, 2, 3, 4, &#8230; 100, 101 &#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>In fact, Microsoft has shown that most desktop users are happy with no choice at&nbsp;all.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "too many distros" argument does have some merit. The wider the variety of distros that are on the desktop, the more difficult it will be for people to get good help in solving problems. The way you do something in Kubuntu is not the same way you do the same thing in Gentoo. I don't think it will be as big an issue as reporters do, though. Clearly, Gentoo is not going to appeal to many Joe Desktop users, and Ubuntu I think already has the lion's share. As desktop users begin migrating away from Windows, there will only be a small handful of distros that they are switching to.

More than one distro is healthy, but most people are inherently afraid of having too many choices. That's why we never have more than 3 presidential candidates in the media (despite there being a good dozen or so on the ballot). If people perceive that they have more than 2 or 3 choices, they tend to encounter decision-making paralysis. And, as Microsoft shows us, many people are quite happy with no choice at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;too many distros&#8221; argument does have some merit. The wider the variety of distros that are on the desktop, the more difficult it will be for people to get good help in solving problems. The way you do something in Kubuntu is not the same way you do the same thing in Gentoo. I don&#8217;t think it will be as big an issue as reporters do, though. Clearly, Gentoo is not going to appeal to many Joe Desktop users, and Ubuntu I think already has the lion&#8217;s share. As desktop users begin migrating away from Windows, there will only be a small handful of distros that they are switching to.</p>
<p>More than one distro is healthy, but most people are inherently afraid of having too many choices. That&#8217;s why we never have more than 3 presidential candidates in the media (despite there being a good dozen or so on the ballot). If people perceive that they have more than 2 or 3 choices, they tend to encounter decision-making paralysis. And, as Microsoft shows us, many people are quite happy with no choice at&nbsp;all.</p>
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